From nobody Sat Apr 3 22:02:44 2004 X-From-Line: dev-return-50391-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org Fri Apr 2 12:21:15 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i32ILFi81848 for ; Fri, 2 Apr 2004 12:21:15 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dev-return-50391-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Fri, 02 Apr 2004 12:21:15 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 29267 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 19:08:20 -0000 Received: from newtigris.sfo.collab.net (HELO tigris.org) (64.125.132.240) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 2 Apr 2004 19:08:20 -0000 Received: (qmail 28533 invoked by uid 5302); 2 Apr 2004 19:08:19 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@subversion.tigris.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@subversion.tigris.org Received: (qmail 28524 invoked from network); 2 Apr 2004 19:08:19 -0000 From: Ben Collins-Sussman To: Shlomi Fish Cc: dev@subversion.tigris.org In-Reply-To: <200404022107.29645.shlomif@iglu.org.il> References: <200404021428.12816.shlomif@iglu.org.il> <200404022107.29645.shlomif@iglu.org.il> Content-Type: text/plain X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-Id: <1080932841.26970.22.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Fri, 02 Apr 2004 13:07:22 -0600 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [PATCH] Trace Past URL From Peg Revision - rev 5 X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-4.8 required=7.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Lines: 31 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.dev:49279 On Fri, 2004-04-02 at 13:07, Shlomi Fish wrote: > Here is a new revision: > > http://shlomif.il.eu.org/svn-patches/peg-revision-patch-rev8.patch > > Changes since last time: > > 1. More tests added. > > 2. Made the tests' interface more robust. > > 3. The standalone command line client for the peg function can now open > http:// URLs. (albeit still segfaults afterwards because the handler in the > vtable is not implemented.) You still haven't written a log message. This is the single biggest obstacle preventing people from paying attention to the patch. You said you "didn't have time" to write one yesterday, yet you've spent time since then adding more code instead (?) Don't underestimate the importance of the log message, or the importance of responding to feedback from other developers. Participating in an open-source project is more than just throwing patches over a wall. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Wed Apr 14 09:36:03 2004 X-From-Line: slashcode-general-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Mon Apr 12 12:33:03 2004 Return-path: Envelope-to: kfogel@localhost Received: from floss ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost ident=kfogel) by floss.red-bean.com with esmtp (Exim 3.34 #1 (Debian)) id 1BD5It-0000ki-01 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:33:03 -0500 Received: from floss [127.0.0.1] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.13) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 12 Apr 2004 12:33:03 -0500 (CDT) Received: from sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net (lists.sourceforge.net [66.35.250.206]) by sanpietro.red-bean.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with ESMTP id i3CB2Lwe025916 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=DHE-RSA-AES256-SHA bits=256 verify=NO) for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:02:22 -0500 Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1] helo=projects.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BCzCU-0003Xk-6R; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:02:02 -0700 Received: from sc8-sf-mx2-b.sourceforge.net ([10.3.1.12] helo=sc8-sf-mx2.sourceforge.net) by sc8-sf-list1.sourceforge.net with esmtp (Exim 4.30) id 1BCzBa-00037V-Cs for slashcode-general@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:01:06 -0700 Received: from slash.ohiobar.com ([216.29.23.6]) by sc8-sf-mx2.sourceforge.net with esmtp (TLSv1:AES256-SHA:256) (Exim 4.30) id 1BCzBZ-0006jO-Vz for slashcode-general@lists.sourceforge.net; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 04:01:06 -0700 Received: from [192.168.0.25] (dhcp065-024-122-068.columbus.rr.com [65.24.122.68]) (authenticated bits=0) by slash.ohiobar.com (8.12.8/8.12.8) with ESMTP id i3CB12WS017805 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2004 07:01:02 -0400 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v613) In-Reply-To: <871xmutahw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> References: <20040412015148.GA29090@pete.localdomain> <871xmutahw.fsf@floss.red-bean.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/spool/mail/kfogel Message-Id: <7A0DADD5-8C70-11D8-96F1-000A95DBD7A6@lottadot.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit From: Shane Subject: Re: [Slashcode-general] Installing Slashcode w/ Apache 2.0.x To: slashcode X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.613) X-Spam-Score: 0.0 (/) Sender: slashcode-general-admin@lists.sourceforge.net Errors-To: slashcode-general-admin@lists.sourceforge.net X-BeenThere: slashcode-general@lists.sourceforge.net X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.9-sf.net Precedence: bulk List-Unsubscribe: , List-Id: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , List-Archive: X-Original-Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:59:31 -0400 Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2004 06:59:31 -0400 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.60 (1.212-2003-09-23-exp) on sanpietro.red-bean.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.1 required=5.0 tests=RCVD_IN_SORBS autolearn=no version=2.60 Lines: 39 Xref: floss.red-bean.com mail.slashcode.general:5 On Apr 11, 2004, at 6:28 PM, Karl Fogel wrote: > Peter Jay Salzman writes: >> sorry, i don't have an answer for you. i don't even have anything >> on-topic to say. > > That's okay, I think I've learned enough to answer my own post now. > [drumroll] And the answer is... "Don't try to run Slashcode within, or > even adjacent to, an Apache 2.0.48 installation, if you value your > site." :-) Can you possibly elaborate a bit more on exactly what problems you ran into, etc? Also: What version of Slash are you using? I couldn't tell from your original message. Exactly how did you build the apache/mod_perl source? Did you try the Apache 2.0 patch that was posted about on slashcode.com ? Shane ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email is sponsored by: IBM Linux Tutorials Free Linux tutorial presented by Daniel Robbins, President and CEO of GenToo technologies. Learn everything from fundamentals to system administration.http://ads.osdn.com/?ad_id=1470&alloc_id=3638&op=click _______________________________________________ Slashcode-general mailing list Slashcode-general@lists.sourceforge.net https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/slashcode-general From nobody Wed Jul 7 09:49:24 2004 X-From-Line: users-return-13719-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org Tue Jul 6 18:02:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i66N1xU32069 for ; Tue, 6 Jul 2004 18:01:59 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from users-return-13719-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 06 Jul 2004 18:01:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 28345 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 22:17:41 -0000 Received: from newtigris.sfo.collab.net (HELO tigris.org) (64.125.132.240) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 6 Jul 2004 22:17:41 -0000 Received: (qmail 28746 invoked by uid 5302); 6 Jul 2004 22:17:37 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@subversion.tigris.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list users@subversion.tigris.org Received: (qmail 28684 invoked from network); 6 Jul 2004 22:17:36 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Date: Tue, 6 Jul 2004 23:16:55 +0100 X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-ID: <0D8F2EFD3A10E24DAEEA48EA6DA07D30035353@postman-pat.csafe.local> From: "Tim Alsop" To: "Ben Collins-Sussman" Cc: "Sven Mueller" , X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-05-00-00 (www.mailcontrol.com) Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL,SPAM_PHRASE_00_01 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by newton.ch.collab.net id i66N1xU32069 Lines: 41 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.users:12980 Ben, I am afraid that I don't have the time or desire to register on a new discussion list and engage in discussions with developers to convince them that this change is needed. I just wanted to pass on a comment to help improve this product and then leave the decision to implement, or not to somebody else. So, I don't intend to take any further action on this, but this doesn't mean I don't think it is a good idea. Regards, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@collab.net] Sent: 06 July 2004 13:35 To: Tim Alsop Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 01:55, Tim Alsop wrote: > I agree, so what process do we need to use so that this bug/enhancement > is taken care of ? Come to the dev@ list and try to get a consensus among developers. If you can persuade, the task will be filed in the issuetracker. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Wed Jul 7 09:49:33 2004 X-From-Line: users-return-13746-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org Wed Jul 7 08:00:25 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i67D0PU33786 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 08:00:25 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from users-return-13746-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 07 Jul 2004 08:00:25 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 8139 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 14:14:00 -0000 Received: from newtigris.sfo.collab.net (HELO tigris.org) (64.125.132.240) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 14:14:00 -0000 Received: (qmail 8920 invoked by uid 5302); 7 Jul 2004 14:14:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@subversion.tigris.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list users@subversion.tigris.org Received: (qmail 8911 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 14:13:59 -0000 Priority: normal X-MessageTextProcessor: DisclaimIt (2.00.201) on europa.healthcompartners.local X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1409 Content-Class: urn:content-classes:message Importance: normal MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:13:58 -0500 X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-ID: <173A99B095011541AFCC6F9739F602BE3D112D@europa.healthcompartners.local> X-MS-Has-Attach: X-MS-TNEF-Correlator: Thread-Topic: RE: question about unix file permissions thread-index: AcRjpxIxpFnyAFyVTRya7KzZoB4I1gAhK10A From: "Simon McClenahan" To: "Tim Alsop" , "Ben Collins-Sussman" Cc: "Sven Mueller" , Subject: [META] "free" software X-Spam-Status: No, hits=1.2 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EXCUSE_16,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,SUPERLONG_LINE version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: * Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by newton.ch.collab.net id i67D0PU33786 Lines: 49 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.users:13006 Maybe you should think about it in terms of the spirit of free software. If you don't have time to report the bug, why should you expect someone else to? Make a contribution to the evolution of this project and as a user and hence supporter of free software, do your duty and follow up on the necessary actions. And it probably is easier to do than you initially think, especially with the free support you will get from like-minded individuals who are more active than you or I. cheers, Simon -----Original Message----- From: Tim Alsop [mailto:Tim.Alsop@CyberSafe.Ltd.UK] Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:17 PM To: Ben Collins-Sussman Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions Ben, I am afraid that I don't have the time or desire to register on a new discussion list and engage in discussions with developers to convince them that this change is needed. I just wanted to pass on a comment to help improve this product and then leave the decision to implement, or not to somebody else. So, I don't intend to take any further action on this, but this doesn't mean I don't think it is a good idea. Regards, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@collab.net] Sent: 06 July 2004 13:35 To: Tim Alsop Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 01:55, Tim Alsop wrote: > I agree, so what process do we need to use so that this bug/enhancement > is taken care of ? Come to the dev@ list and try to get a consensus among developers. If you can persuade, the task will be filed in the issuetracker. :-) -------------------------- NOTE: This message and any included attachments are from HealthCom Partners, LLC and are intended only for the addressee(s). The information contained herein may include trade secrets or privileged or otherwise confidential information. 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If you received this message in error, or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender by e-mail. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Wed Jul 7 09:49:34 2004 X-From-Line: users-return-13750-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org Wed Jul 7 09:47:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i67ElYU33955 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from users-return-13750-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 19329 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 14:36:44 -0000 Received: from newtigris.sfo.collab.net (HELO tigris.org) (64.125.132.240) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 14:36:44 -0000 Received: (qmail 2190 invoked by uid 5302); 7 Jul 2004 14:36:44 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@subversion.tigris.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list users@subversion.tigris.org Received: (qmail 2181 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 14:36:43 -0000 Sender: kfogel@newton.ch.collab.net To: "Simon McClenahan" Cc: "Tim Alsop" , "Ben Collins-Sussman" , "Sven Mueller" , References: <173A99B095011541AFCC6F9739F602BE3D112D@europa.healthcompartners.local> From: kfogel@collab.net Reply-To: kfogel@collab.net X-Windows: a mistake carried out to perfection. Date: 07 Jul 2004 08:09:18 -0500 In-Reply-To: <173A99B095011541AFCC6F9739F602BE3D112D@europa.healthcompartners.local> X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-ID: <85llhw0xs1.fsf@newton.ch.collab.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: Re: [META] "free" software X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.8 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EXCUSE_16,IN_REP_TO,NO_REAL_NAME,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT, REFERENCES,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05,SUPERLONG_LINE,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Lines: 74 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.users:13010 "Simon McClenahan" writes: > Maybe you should think about it in terms of the spirit of free > software. If you don't have time to report the bug, why should you > expect someone else to? Make a contribution to the evolution of this > project and as a user and hence supporter of free software, do your > duty and follow up on the necessary actions. And it probably is > easier to do than you initially think, especially with the free > support you will get from like-minded individuals who are more > active than you or I. Simon, I think maybe you misunderstood the tone of Tim's response. Although it's terse, it's quite amiable and merely states the facts. He says the enhancement is important enough to be worth describing (in the hopes that others will implement it), but it's not important enough to devote design/discussion/implementation time himself. There's nothing wrong with this. Doing a cost/benefit analysis is not against the spirit of free software. Tim has no "duty" to follow up further. Of course, he also has no right to complain, but clearly he understands that -- he's not complaining, he's merely letting us know, without rancor, that he intends to take no further action. There's nothing to criticise Tim for here. -Karl > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Alsop [mailto:Tim.Alsop@CyberSafe.Ltd.UK] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:17 PM > To: Ben Collins-Sussman > Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org > Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions > > > Ben, > > I am afraid that I don't have the time or desire to register on a new > discussion list and engage in discussions with developers to convince > them that this change is needed. I just wanted to pass on a comment to > help improve this product and then leave the decision to implement, or > not to somebody else. > > So, I don't intend to take any further action on this, but this doesn't > mean I don't think it is a good idea. > > Regards, Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@collab.net] > Sent: 06 July 2004 13:35 > To: Tim Alsop > Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org > Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions > > On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 01:55, Tim Alsop wrote: > > I agree, so what process do we need to use so that this > bug/enhancement > > is taken care of ? > > Come to the dev@ list and try to get a consensus among developers. If > you can persuade, the task will be filed in the issuetracker. :-) > > -------------------------- > NOTE: This message and any included attachments are from HealthCom Partners, LLC and are intended only for the addressee(s). 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If you received this message in error, or have reason to believe you are not authorized to receive it, please promptly delete this message and notify the sender by e-mail. > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org > For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Wed Jul 7 09:49:35 2004 X-From-Line: Tim.Alsop@CyberSafe.Ltd.UK Wed Jul 7 09:47:34 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i67ElYU33958 for ; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT) (envelope-from Tim.Alsop@CyberSafe.Ltd.UK) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 07 Jul 2004 09:47:34 -0500 (CDT) Received: (qmail 21377 invoked from network); 7 Jul 2004 14:40:13 -0000 Received: from cluster-b.mailcontrol.com (HELO rly08b.srv.mailcontrol.com) (217.68.146.190) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 7 Jul 2004 14:40:13 -0000 Received: from cybersafe.ltd.uk (dsl-212-23-30-205.zen.co.uk [212.23.30.205]) by rly08b.srv.mailcontrol.com (MailControl) with ESMTP id i67Ee7Cu021742; Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:40:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Subject: RE: [META] "free" software Date: Wed, 7 Jul 2004 15:40:11 +0100 X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-ID: <0D8F2EFD3A10E24DAEEA48EA6DA07D30035363@postman-pat.csafe.local> From: "Tim Alsop" To: , "Simon McClenahan" Cc: "Ben Collins-Sussman" , "Sven Mueller" , X-Scanned-By: MailControl A-05-00-00 (www.mailcontrol.com) X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.9 required=5.0 tests=AWL,EXCUSE_16,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,SPAM_PHRASE_03_05 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by newton.ch.collab.net id i67ElYU33958 Lines: 99 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.users:13011 Karl, Yes, you are 100% correct in your summary. Thanks, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: kfogel@newton.ch.collab.net [mailto:kfogel@newton.ch.collab.net] On Behalf Of kfogel@collab.net Sent: 07 July 2004 14:09 To: Simon McClenahan Cc: Tim Alsop; Ben Collins-Sussman; Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: Re: [META] "free" software "Simon McClenahan" writes: > Maybe you should think about it in terms of the spirit of free > software. If you don't have time to report the bug, why should you > expect someone else to? Make a contribution to the evolution of this > project and as a user and hence supporter of free software, do your > duty and follow up on the necessary actions. And it probably is > easier to do than you initially think, especially with the free > support you will get from like-minded individuals who are more > active than you or I. Simon, I think maybe you misunderstood the tone of Tim's response. Although it's terse, it's quite amiable and merely states the facts. He says the enhancement is important enough to be worth describing (in the hopes that others will implement it), but it's not important enough to devote design/discussion/implementation time himself. There's nothing wrong with this. Doing a cost/benefit analysis is not against the spirit of free software. Tim has no "duty" to follow up further. Of course, he also has no right to complain, but clearly he understands that -- he's not complaining, he's merely letting us know, without rancor, that he intends to take no further action. There's nothing to criticise Tim for here. -Karl > -----Original Message----- > From: Tim Alsop [mailto:Tim.Alsop@CyberSafe.Ltd.UK] > Sent: Tuesday, July 06, 2004 5:17 PM > To: Ben Collins-Sussman > Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org > Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions > > > Ben, > > I am afraid that I don't have the time or desire to register on a new > discussion list and engage in discussions with developers to convince > them that this change is needed. I just wanted to pass on a comment to > help improve this product and then leave the decision to implement, or > not to somebody else. > > So, I don't intend to take any further action on this, but this doesn't > mean I don't think it is a good idea. > > Regards, Tim. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@collab.net] > Sent: 06 July 2004 13:35 > To: Tim Alsop > Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org > Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions > > On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 01:55, Tim Alsop wrote: > > I agree, so what process do we need to use so that this > bug/enhancement > > is taken care of ? > > Come to the dev@ list and try to get a consensus among developers. If > you can persuade, the task will be filed in the issuetracker. :-) > > -------------------------- > NOTE: This message and any included attachments are from HealthCom Partners, LLC and are intended only for the addressee(s). 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I just wanted to pass on a comment to help improve this product and then leave the decision to implement, or not to somebody else. So, I don't intend to take any further action on this, but this doesn't mean I don't think it is a good idea. Regards, Tim. -----Original Message----- From: Ben Collins-Sussman [mailto:sussman@collab.net] Sent: 06 July 2004 13:35 To: Tim Alsop Cc: Sven Mueller; users@subversion.tigris.org Subject: RE: question about unix file permissions On Tue, 2004-07-06 at 01:55, Tim Alsop wrote: > I agree, so what process do we need to use so that this bug/enhancement > is taken care of ? Come to the dev@ list and try to get a consensus among developers. If you can persuade, the task will be filed in the issuetracker. :-) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Wed Jul 14 14:33:22 2004 X-From-Line: dev-return-48450-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org Tue Mar 2 21:31:45 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i233Vji01971 for ; Tue, 2 Mar 2004 21:31:45 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dev-return-48450-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 02 Mar 2004 21:31:45 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 14125 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 23:51:06 -0000 Received: from newtigris.sfo.collab.net (HELO tigris.org) (64.125.132.240) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 29 Feb 2004 23:51:06 -0000 Received: (qmail 21154 invoked by uid 5302); 29 Feb 2004 23:51:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@subversion.tigris.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@subversion.tigris.org Received: (qmail 21145 invoked from network); 29 Feb 2004 23:51:00 -0000 Date: Sun, 29 Feb 2004 15:50:59 -0800 (PST) From: Brian Behlendorf X-X-Sender: brian@fez.hyperreal.org To: Ben Reser cc: dev@subversion.tigris.org In-Reply-To: <20040229092231.GO13621@occipital.brain.org> X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-ID: <20040229154604.G3929@fez.hyperreal.org> References: <1077722902.12037.26.camel@loota.intranet> <85wu6b178n.fsf@newton.ch.collab.net> <20040227155117.GU18335@deadbeast.net> <20040229092231.GO13621@occipital.brain.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII X-Spam-Rating: localhost.hyperreal.org 1.6.2 0/1000/N Subject: Re: What license should I use when including code from subversion? X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-1.5 required=7.0 tests=AWL,IN_REP_TO,QUOTED_EMAIL_TEXT,REFERENCES, SPAM_PHRASE_01_02 version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Lines: 30 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.dev:47330 On Sun, 29 Feb 2004, Ben Reser wrote: > More to the point, this discussion has already been had. The Apache 1.1 > license is GPL incompatable and by extension so is the Subversion > license with essentially identical clauses: > > http://lists.debian.org/debian-legal/2000/debian-legal-200006/msg00103.html The ASF never considered the 1.1 license to be ASF-incompatible in practice. That is to say, no one has ever been sued by the ASF, or even asked to stop, for including Apache software inside a GPL release. Likewise, CollabNet will never sue someone for doing the same thing. Our intent for the license is to give *everyone* the ability to include it in their works, with minimal notification and liability exemption required. We'd like to update it to the Apache 2.0 license, which is even more explicitly compatible with the GPL, despite the FSF's opinion on this front. The ASF and the FSF are resolving their last question on this front. This is not an algorithmic thing, as it depends on how courts are likely to interpret patent language. But, again, the ASF's intent is to allow anyone to combine AL-2.0 code with GPL code and distribute it under the GPL. That would be ours as well. Brian --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Wed Jul 14 14:35:09 2004 X-From-Line: dev-return-50101-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org Tue Mar 30 13:55:20 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id i2UJtKi72619 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:55:20 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from dev-return-50101-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Tue, 30 Mar 2004 13:55:20 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 16810 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 20:59:07 -0000 Received: from newtigris.sfo.collab.net (HELO tigris.org) (64.125.132.240) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 30 Mar 2004 20:59:07 -0000 Received: (qmail 11096 invoked by uid 5302); 30 Mar 2004 20:59:06 -0000 Mailing-List: contact dev-help@subversion.tigris.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list dev@subversion.tigris.org Received: (qmail 10900 invoked from network); 30 Mar 2004 20:59:06 -0000 Sender: kfogel@newton.ch.collab.net To: dev@subversion.tigris.org From: kfogel@collab.net Reply-To: kfogel@collab.net X-Windows: a terminal disease. Date: 30 Mar 2004 13:47:50 -0600 X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-ID: <85n05y3ymx.fsf@newton.ch.collab.net> User-Agent: Gnus/5.09 (Gnus v5.9.0) Emacs/21.1.50 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Subject: using LGPL'd code with Subversion X-Spam-Status: No, hits=-2.2 required=7.0 tests=AWL,NO_REAL_NAME,SPAM_PHRASE_01_02,USER_AGENT, USER_AGENT_GNUS_UA version=2.43 X-Spam-Level: Lines: 107 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.dev:48988 As we contemplate using GNU gettext, there's some discussion of whether we are licence-compatible with the LGPL (in a complex way, the part of gettext we care about is LGPL'd, while the rest of it is GPL'd). In the midst of this discussion, someone pointed out that we already use Neon, which is also LGPL. Before I continue, here are some references. The LGPL v2.1: http://www.gnu.org/licenses/lgpl.html The Subversion dev list thread: http://tinyurl.com/3d2ey For some messages discussing license compatibility, try: http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=61816 http://subversion.tigris.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=dev&msgNo=61862 Okay, continuing: I've just finished reading the LGPL v2.1, and I don't see any problem with using gettext in Subversion. Specifically, various parts of sections 5 and 6 seem to apply to Subversion in an innocuous and non-license-shaking way. (Note that the only part of gettext Subversion actually would link with at runtime is the 'intl' library, which is a part of gettext that is under the LGPL). The first part of section 5 says: > 5. A program that contains no derivative of any portion of the > Library, but is designed to work with the Library by being compiled or > linked with it, is called a "work that uses the Library". Such a > work, in isolation, is not a derivative work of the Library, and > therefore falls outside the scope of this License. > > However, linking a "work that uses the Library" with the Library > creates an executable that is a derivative of the Library (because it > contains portions of the Library), rather than a "work that uses the > library". The executable is therefore covered by this License. > Section 6 states terms for distribution of such executables. The first paragraph says we're safe for source distributions. The second paragraph tells us that, for binary distributions, we need to look at section 6. Let's go there now (the remainder of 5 is not important here). Here's the beginning of section 6: > 6. As an exception to the Sections above, you may also combine or > link a "work that uses the Library" with the Library to produce a > work containing portions of the Library, and distribute that work > under terms of your choice, provided that the terms permit > modification of the work for the customer's own use and reverse > engineering for debugging such modifications. Good -- in other words, the work (executable, in our case) must be under a Free-ish license, but not necessarily the LGPL itself. We meet that criterion easily. Someone repackaging Subversion under a less permissive license might have a problem; I don't know if we consider that a problem ourselves. The next pararaph lays down some additional requirements: > You must give prominent notice with each copy of the work that the > Library is used in it and that the Library and its use are covered by > this License. You must supply a copy of this License. If the work > during execution displays copyright notices, you must include the > copyright notice for the Library among them, as well as a reference > directing the user to the copy of this License. Also, you must do one > of these things: Okay, we can do that (I'm not sure where we display such notices now, but we can put in a bit about gettext/intl/LGPL pretty easily). The pick-list following that offers various options, some of which are easy for us to meet, and we only need to meet one. I won't detail how here; you can see it easily if you read over the list. So. If anyone can think of a reason why we *would* have a problem using the LGPL, please offer it up now. I am not a lawyer; the above is just my effort to understand the legal implications of using gettext and/or Neon with Subversion. Regarding Neon: I think most of the above applies to Neon as well. But note that Neon actually uses LGPL v2.0 (which is the "GNU Library Public License", while v2.1 is now the "GNU Lesser Public License"). I have not read v2.0 as carefully as v2.1, but the differences do not appear to be great. The main change seems to be the insertion of a new paragraph in section 6: + b) Use a suitable shared library mechanism for linking with the + Library. A suitable mechanism is one that (1) uses at run time a + copy of the library already present on the user's computer system, + rather than copying library functions into the executable, and (2) + will operate properly with a modified version of the library, if + the user installs one, as long as the modified version is + interface-compatible with the version that the work was made with. Not a problem (if it were a problem, we would simply choose one of the other options). -Karl --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: dev-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Thu Dec 2 11:27:27 2004 X-From-Line: users-return-22133-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org Thu Dec 2 11:22:00 2004 Return-Path: Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by newton.ch.collab.net (8.11.6/8.11.6) with ESMTP id iB2HLxU84418 for ; Thu, 2 Dec 2004 11:22:00 -0600 (CST) (envelope-from users-return-22133-kfogel=collab.net@subversion.tigris.org) Delivered-To: kfogel@collab.net Received: from laswell.sfo.collab.net [64.125.134.138] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.4) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Thu, 02 Dec 2004 11:22:00 -0600 (CST) Received: (qmail 15477 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 16:44:39 -0000 Received: from newtigris.sfo.collab.net (HELO tigris.org) (64.125.132.240) by laswell.sfo.collab.net with SMTP; 2 Dec 2004 16:44:39 -0000 Received: (qmail 27823 invoked by uid 5302); 2 Dec 2004 16:44:09 -0000 Mailing-List: contact users-help@subversion.tigris.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk X-No-Archive: yes list-help: list-unsubscribe: list-post: Delivered-To: mailing list users@subversion.tigris.org Received: (qmail 27602 invoked from network); 2 Dec 2004 16:44:08 -0000 Date: Thu, 2 Dec 2004 10:43:00 -0600 From: Steve Greenland To: X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-ID: <20041202164300.GA20257@lsli.com> References: <5.2.0.9.2.20041201164509.02112860@mail2.jpl.nasa.gov> <2325BEAF-4418-11D9-B183-000A95D699A0@collab.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2325BEAF-4418-11D9-B183-000A95D699A0@collab.net> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.6+20040722i Subject: Re: post-commit script to set keywords/prop-set hit and miss X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 3.0.1 (2004-10-22) on laswell.sfo.collab.net X-Spam-Report: * -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts * 0.1 AWL AWL: From: address is in the auto white-list X-Spam-Status: No, score=-2.7 required=5.0 tests=ALL_TRUSTED,AWL autolearn=disabled version=3.0.1 X-Spam-Level: Lines: 35 Xref: newton.ch.collab.net mail.subversion.users:21254 On Wed, Dec 01, 2004 at 10:10:44PM -0600, Ben Collins-Sussman wrote: > > On Dec 1, 2004, at 6:51 PM, Jennifer Kesterson wrote: > > > We wrote a post-commit hook script to set keywords and EOL styles in > >the current repository on files that don't have them set. > > Yikes, this is a *really bad* strategy. And you're going to continue to see people attempt it until server-side default properties are available. Yes, I've read the relevant entry in the issue tracker, I understand that there are non-trivial issues to be solved, and no, I don't have the time to contribute it. I'm not try to criticize here, just explain why this pops up on a regular basis: trying to enforce a consistent set of client configurations across a large and/or diverse set of developers is difficult, especially if those configurations change over time, or are different for different projects/repositories. It might be worth adding a big warning and explanation to the "post-commit" hook entry in http://svnbook.red-bean.com/en/1.0/ch05s02.html#svn-ch-5-sect-2.1. Steve -- "Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next. -- (Stolen from the net) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: users-unsubscribe@subversion.tigris.org For additional commands, e-mail: users-help@subversion.tigris.org From nobody Wed Jan 12 09:27:51 2005 X-From-Line: sussman@red-bean.com Wed Jan 12 09:25:12 2005 Return-path: Envelope-to: kfogel@localhost Received: from floss ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost ident=kfogel) by floss.red-bean.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1CokMy-0005KR-02 for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:25:12 -0600 Received: from floss [127.0.0.1] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.13) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Wed, 12 Jan 2005 09:25:12 -0600 (CST) Received: from [192.168.1.102] (dsl092-129-143.chi1.dsl.speakeasy.net [66.92.129.143]) (authenticated bits=0) by sanpietro.red-bean.com (8.12.9/8.12.9/Debian-5) with ESMTP id j0CESF5M026635 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-SHA bits=128 verify=NO) for ; Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:29:16 -0600 Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v619) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-Id: <314C0F5F-64A6-11D9-86D5-000A95D699A0@red-bean.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed To: Karl Fogel From: Ben Collins-Sussman Subject: You are what you write Date: Wed, 12 Jan 2005 08:28:13 -0600 X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.619) X-Virus-Scanned: clamd / ClamAV version 0.70, clamav-milter version 0.70j X-SpamProbe: GOOD 0.0000000 1686c259e1898894c41468b75baea0f8 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on sanpietro.red-bean.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Lines: 17 Xref: floss.red-bean.com mail.ben:399 This quote is from one of the developers on the OpenRPG list. It pains me to read it. "Not it isnt required to add the col to the player list I mainly did it for my testing so I could easaly check what groups I had added each person to. I could not find a way to use the plugin code for multiple whisper groups, BUT I am using it to make Group Tabs(One for each group and one GM Tab) Though I am having to add a few things to the plugin code so that it will function corectly, namly a meathod to let the system know that the plugin posted the code so that the core will stop proccessing it. I also made it so that the player_id is sent to the plugin receive_msg function" From nobody Mon Feb 28 21:57:39 2005 X-From-Line: fitz@red-bean.com Mon Feb 28 21:53:02 2005 Return-path: Envelope-to: kfogel@localhost Received: from floss ([127.0.0.1] helo=localhost ident=kfogel) by floss.red-bean.com with esmtp (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1D5yLh-0004Sb-00 for ; Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:47:05 -0600 Received: from floss [127.0.0.1] by localhost with POP3 (fetchmail-5.9.13) for kfogel@localhost (single-drop); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 21:47:05 -0600 (CST) Received: from 10.3.0.97 (newton.ch.collab.net [66.146.194.194]) (authenticated bits=0) by sanpietro.red-bean.com (8.13.3/8.13.3/Debian-6) with ESMTP id j1SHXRA3031849 (version=TLSv1/SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5 bits=128 verify=NOT); Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:33:28 -0600 Subject: the Files stats email. From: "Brian W. Fitzpatrick" To: kfogel@collab.net Cc: kfogel@red-bean.com Content-Type: text/plain Date: Mon, 28 Feb 2005 11:33:45 -0600 X-Gnus-Mail-Source: file:/var/mail/kfogel Message-Id: <1109612025.30772.21.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.2 (2.0.2-3) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-SpamProbe: GOOD 0.0000000 88f3b9281d9738afadab3a54f1f78962 X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 2.63 (2004-01-11) on sanpietro.red-bean.com X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, hits=0.0 required=5.0 tests=AWL autolearn=no version=2.63 Lines: 42 Xref: floss.red-bean.com mail.collab.personal:1590 Reply-to: fitz@collab.net From: "B. W. Fitzpatrick" To: kfogel@collab.net, sussman@collab.net, cmpilato@collab.net, gstein@collab.net, jrepenning@collab.net Subject: The Subversion Energy Sink X-Windows: the first fully modular software disaster. X-Mailer: MH-E 7.4.2; nmh 1.0.4+dev; GNU Emacs 21.2.1 Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 23:37:47 -0600 Sender: fitz@red-bean.com In the last 25 days, the top 6 posters to the svn [dev|users] list have been: 294 kfogel@collab.net 236 "C. Michael Pilato" 220 "Files" 176 =?UTF-8?B?QnJhbmtvIMSMaWJlag==?= 130 Philip Martin 126 Ben Collins-Sussman I would say that five of these people are contributing to Subversion hitting 1.0 in the near future. I would also say that one of these people is consistently drawing time and energy from the other 5, not to mention the list as a whole, thus (albeit unintentionally) slowing the development of Subversion. I did not do a threaded analysis, but vgrepping my Subversion mail spool tells me that every mail from this person is responded to at least once by at least 2 of the other 5 people on the above list. I think some sort of radical intervention is necessary here, even if we do scare the aforementioned person away. Niceties and kindness have already proven to have no effect. dev@subversion is a mailing list to facilitate development of a version control system, not a group therapy session. -Fitz, attempting to wade through three days on svn mail that he let pile up